We have received a message from someone ( which we have printed in the comments box attached to the post below) who says he knows that Rachel was in carriage 1. because points she made about her experience when she met him, tally with his own story. He says that he is a survivor of carriage 1. and this seems to be true. We believe that this poor man ( or woman) has been deceived by Rachel North. The points this person makes are: Rachel says she knew the driver's accent.... which was probably a London accent....and anyone could have heard it or worked that out...she was able to say that a ladder was used to get down to the tracks onto carriage 1., and she knew about the fact that people were using their mobile phones on the way out to Russel Square. We are glad he (she) sent this comment in because it shows that in all the time he was in the bombed carriage and then getting out of the bombed carriage and making his way to Russel Square he did not see or hear Rachel North. He could have missed her on the tracks if she was far behind him but we do not see how he could have missed her in the carriage if they were both there for half an hour, which is what Rachel says.
This person suggests that Rachel must have been on the bombed carriage because she came out at Russel Square Station. He says that everyone who was not in the bombed carriage went to Kings Cross and everyone in the bombed carriage went to Russel Square but this would seem to be a myth that has sprung up. We think that lots of people who were not on the bombed train carriage made it to Russel Square Station rather than Kings Cross which is understandable. People naturally will have tried to go after the driver who was leading the way. Obviously. We would have. Especially people from carriages 2 & 3.
This picture shows the ladders used to evacuate the trains. (Obviously, it would not be possible to escape such a bomb blast unharmed). This picture is Edgware road and it is an example of the trains and the ladders used to evacuate the trains. A very sad and upsetting picture to all.
Correction: the following paragraphs on this post ( Mon 30th June 2008) were written at the outset of this blog. We have revised this view after investigating the trains and the tunnel.
We suggest that ladders were used all the way along the train carriages. Just because people were not in a bombed carriage it does not mean that they would have been expected to jump onto the tracks, obviously. Everyone will have used ladders. Especially to get down from the bombed carriage onto the track. (We have been told that carriages do not have ladders, but the drivers do. The survivors say that they used ladders to escape.)
It is significant that ladders were used to evacuate the bombed carriage, as this shows that the train tunnel space between the side of the train and the tunnel was wide enough for people who were in the carriages behind carriage 1 to pass through the space between the train and the wall of the tunnel and go to Russel Square . Along with survivors of carriage 1. of which there were of course very few ( if any? almost all people in carriage 1. were very severely injured or had died.) We believe that people in other carriages down the train behind the bombed carriage tried to hear the driver as he was telling survivors who could hear him, to go to Russel Square, ( which was probably all about him getting the trains stopped from coming towards his train) and then the survivors from the other carriages went down onto the track and then went past the bombed carriage and went to Russel Square behind the driver. Other people from the other end of the train nearest to Kings Cross went to Kings Cross.
We believe that Rachel North did this. She understandably left carriage 2. or 3. and cut across the space in the tunnel beside carriage 1. and went to Russel Square.
16 comments:
Rachel North attacks people as if there were no other way of dealing with anyone and usually they haven't done anything. Trouble, noise accusations and more trouble, all for the sweet hell of it. Every time she does there is a big exhibition with her going to the newspapers and looking like the wronged one but she always starts the trouble? When she has finished demolishing someone she links to newspaper articles and deletes all her own lies. Every time. Why would she do this? Honest people don't hide their acts? This strategy may be the reason those reporters never dare contradict or verify her. She sets them up too. Media strategy, everyone is taking lessons!
WRONG!
That's not the Kings Cross/Russell Square train. That is the Edgware Rd train.
Look at the BBC link I have provided. The Kings Cross-Russell Square line is a single track line, with a trailing crossover near the end of the train. The deep, narrow tunnel concentrated the effects of the explosion which was why so many died. The clearance between the carriages and the tunnel wall is less than 8cm. It's simply not possible to squeeze down the tunnel and walk to Russell Square once you are behind where the explosion happened.
The only exits were the rear door and front driver's door of the train. That is why so many people were trapped for so long and could not escape.
Those in the first half of the first carriage went forward to Russell Square to get help and say what had happened.
Everyone else was trapped and had to evacuate at the back to Kings Cross. Just goes to show how much 'research' you have done - you don't even know that!
The survivors who had evacuated did not run, or drive, or fly all the way from Kings Cross station, across London, to Russell Square, which is over a mile away. Russell Square was sealed off, staff would not let people in, and and so was Kings Cross, where police and ambulances were in attendance.
Or are you suggesting Rachael flew in a helicopter? Or managed to shrink herself to the size of a mouse so she could squeeze under the train and run down the tracks? There is no 'myth' - this is a statement of fact. You can check for yourself by doing the journey from Kings Cross to Russell Square. One minute out of the station, you will find yourself in a very narrow tunnel with the walls right up close to the train window. Even if you smashed a window, you could not get out. There are no ladders in carriages.
The train's side entry doors do not open when the power is off. Nor can you open the windows unless you smash them, and even then, there is nothing you can do because the wall is right there and you cannot get out.
Do some research instead of writing about stuff which you know nothing about.
And the driver did not have a London accent.
All of us who were there know what accent he had.
You don't.
Stop this stupid attacks on survivors and go and do something else. It's a lovely day, why are you wasting your life like this?
Good afternoon Rachel why aren't you on the beach?
We are not disputing the point that some of the passengers from other carriages possibly exited through rear entrances of the carriages, or the back of the train itself... possibly...but that would not stop them cutting across to Russel Square by passing by carriage 1.. And who believes that no one broke out of their carriages? Especially out of carriage 2.We are not being horrible to passengers, we think that this would be completely understandable. We are pointing out that because a ladder was used to get down from the bombed carriage it is clear that there would have been enough space for people from the other carriages to cut past the bombed carriage 1. and go to Russel Square.
You are contradicting a bomb survivor from carriage 1. who has written to us, when you say that the only exit from the bombed carriage was through the driver's carriage because there was no space beside the bombed carriage. We know that this is Rachel's version of events: that the only way to exit carriage 1. was through the driver's carriage. However a survivor from carriage 1. says that people came out of carriage 1. down a ladder. He says that Rachel knew about this ladder leading down from carriage 1. and he also says that this is why he thought that she was in carriage 1. Because she told him that she left carriage 1. by going down a ladder onto the track.
However on her blog she said that she left carriage 1. by passing through the driver's carriage and she says that this was the only way to leave the bombed carriage 1. But it wasn't was it?
The train picture is an example of the trains and the ladders.
So where do you place Rachel and the ladder coming from carriage 1 ?
It's hard to tell when someone has told so many pork pies. She might have exited one of the other carriages by ladder. Other people must have done. She probably saw the ladder when she was making her way past carriage 1.
I lost a relative in July 7. I do NOT see why Rachel and her friends are so jolly rude to anyone who confronts them or why Rachel North's evidence need never be looked at, sorry .
I am the same tube survivor - the man you were talking to earlier, not Rachael!
Get on a tube train. Look for a ladder in the carriage.
Oh, there isn't one. We all got out the drivers cab, where there is a small steps-ladder that takes you down to the tracks.
There are no ladders on tube trains! haven't you ever been on a tube train? have a look for yourself.
And I have explained to you that the tunnel wall is inches from the windows so even if the train was mysteriously full of ladders as well as being full of passengers, you would not be able to get out of the train.
And I've already told you Rachael was on the train with me, and others in the same carriage - why are you twisting and ignoring half the stuff I tell you?
You obviously have no idea at all of what you are talking about.
And that 'I lost a relative comment' is completely made up.
Why are you doing this? Why are you making up strange stories about what went on when it is obvious that you don't know what happened and you can't even get the picture of the train right. I have been watching this nonsense and trying to get you to understand how mistaken you are for 2 days now.
Whoever you are, you are allowing the fact that you have some kind of issue with Rachael to make you come out with rubbish which is highly offensive to people like me who were on that train.
PLEASE TRY AND STOP YOURSELF. This subject is not something to use in order to have a go at one person, there are hundreds of people affected and you are upsetting people. If you must have a go at Rachael, why not email her privately? Why upset families and survivors with this rubbish that is not accurate?
Murder is not a subject to use to wage internet war on people you do not like. It is really disgusting.
Rachel has been flinging spatulas of hate from her scam saucepan at innocent bystanders for three years now-- it is time she was investigated
We have not ignored any of your stuff.
Now you ( or someone else) tell us that everyone went down a ladder from the driver's carriage and that this ladder belonged to the driver. Our point is that if there was room to go down a ladder in the tunnel then there was room for people at the rear of the train to cut past carriage 1. The train did not derail. There was enough space in the tunnel to go down a ladder. So people from carriages 2, 3 & 4 could easily have gone past carriage 1. and the driver's carriage to get to Russel Square.
There are anonymous comments sent to this blog, so we can't be held accountable for mistaking one person for another. It is quite possible that the comment that has just been sent us came from a different person (than the survivor who wrote to us) who is anxious to exonerate Rachel and negate the other survivor's evidence about the ladder coming from carriage 1. The other comment seems to make it clear that there was a ladder coming from carriage 1.
Why don't you stop moaning and moralising and trying to intimidate people and pay attention to evidence.
Even if there was no space beside the train Rachel could have made her way through the bombed carriage from carriage 2, or 3. No survivor saw her in carriage 1.
No survivor saw her in carriage 1.
I tell you what.
Why don't you try being locked in a pitch black space underground, unable to breathe properly, with nearly 100 terrified strangers, some of whom are seriously injured, in total darkness, and then try escaping down a dark narrow tunnel with 40 of them, and see if you can identify them all by name and appearance the next day, when they are all covered in black soot and glass and blood and debris, and you and they are afraid for their lives?
It was a terrorist attack, not a bloody cocktail party.
Have you got the message yet? Can you see how upsetting this is?
'Rachel North attacks people as if there were no other way of dealing with anyone and usually they haven't done anything. Trouble, noise accusations and more trouble, all for the sweet hell of it. Every time she does there is a big exhibition with her going to the newspapers and looking like the wronged one but she always starts the trouble? When she has finished demolishing someone she links to newspaper articles and deletes all her own lies. Every time. Why would she do this? Honest people don't hide their acts? This strategy may be the reason those reporters never dare contradict or verify her. She sets them up too. Media strategy, everyone is taking lessons!'
Are you seriously suggesting that newspaper reporters with a circulation of millions, who interview everyone from Robert Mugabe to Serbian war lords, are so afraid of one female blogger writing about them that they dare not check her story after 3 years??
LOL
We are not being unkind to you at all! We are pointing out that Rachel could so very easily have deceived you. You cannot recall who was with you in the bombed carriage. Understandably.
er...... those comments do look like Rachel North.
'No survivor saw her in carriage 1.
I tell you what.
Why don't you try being locked in a pitch black space underground, unable to breathe properly, with nearly 100 terrified strangers, some of whom are seriously injured, in total darkness, and then try escaping down a dark narrow tunnel with 40 of them, and see if you can identify them all by name and appearance the next day, when they are all covered in black soot and glass and blood and debris, and you and they are afraid for their lives?
It was a terrorist attack, not a bloody cocktail party.
Have you got the message yet? Can you see how upsetting this is?'
Didn't she say that the emergency lights all came on after five minutes......? Now she's saying it was pitch black and not a bloody cocktail party. I wish she'd stop playing victim ..
I had the misfortune to be in London a few weeks ago. Having suffered the crush of the rush hour, I am at a loss as to how Rachael could continue to read as she describes in this Times article!
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article597033.ece
You forget how self absorbed she is!
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